Your basis of him having a point is my arguing that he didn't?
Good to know you're neutral.
I don't think the board is stupid enough to not know that. Which is why I was so stricken by their buying into reducing suicide to a talking point for bullying. Because of the myriad causes for suicide, you could literally just throw it in anywhere and call it a demonstration of the ethical flaws of x.
The only parts of my first post that I left out were "Yes, FFS" and a snippet of a quote of somebody else's analogy that that was in response to. How misleading of me!
I didn't say anything about children in Africa. I pointed out that they weren't just in Africa, actually, and that the problem of hunger exists in the very same first-world nations where popular media spends more time on bullying. There was no invocation of "they have it worse over yonder!", except in the quote which I actually specifically disagreed with.
Go into the "SpaceBook" thing. It'd be interesting to see you dissect corny wordplay with the same vigor and dedication that you apply to views that differ from your own.
That's not a strawman. You pointed out suicide as being the ethical flaw of ignoring bullying. I pointed out that bullying is its own ethical flaw, and suicide can be caused by any number of things. If your defense of CB's invocation of suicide was that it was pointing out an ethical flaw, but you believe that bullying is already an "ethical flaw," and you acknowledge that suicide can be caused by any number of things and has no inherent non-circumstantial relation to bullying, then your defense of CB's invocation as pointing out the "ethical flaw" of ignoring bullying was nonsense.
I don't see how that proves accuracy, hence my commenting on your neutrality. It seems like a sort of character-based confirmation bias, but maybe it's just me.
As for cyberbullying, you may be right. I think it's a buzzword created to get people to watch more TV. That doesn't mean I don't think it can be serious. It means that I think adding "cyber" onto "bullying" on the basis that they're using the internet to do it is threat-of-the-month spin in league with stories on "hackers on steroids" and the dangers of planking. I don't think my general distrust of this is the result of being out of touch, but the opposite. So, yes. Perhaps there was a hint of disregard, there, as well.
Those italicized parts weren't irrelevant. Perhaps this is our problem... you seem very ready to pick and choose what I'm saying. And I have my doubts that unless someone was in a near-total vacuum their entire life with nothing but school bullies keeping them company that any significant amount of people have committed suicide without other circumstantial factors. The simple reality of human experience makes that incredibly unlikely, and I doubt that if you take a bullying that leads to a suicide from one person's life and you put an (otherwise) identical bullying experience into a completely different person's life that it would even necessarily end the same way. Unfortunately, that's not something you can very well test, is it?
And to clarify, I wasn't just saying that it was "just another factor," by bringing up other examples. In most cases I suspect it would be, but I want to make very clear that I believe that those other things can also be sole, primary causes for an individual's suicide. I was saying that they, too, drive people to kill themselves.
got nothing against grime, though i don't listen to it that much any more, but that list was strictly for hip hop. i love old school big h, meridian, prez t especially aswell as most other old school tapes and sets from that era 02-06/07. but recently its not really produced much of note (except for Durrty Goodz 'Born Blessed' and a few other gems here and there)
Good to know you're neutral.
I don't think the board is stupid enough to not know that. Which is why I was so stricken by their buying into reducing suicide to a talking point for bullying. Because of the myriad causes for suicide, you could literally just throw it in anywhere and call it a demonstration of the ethical flaws of x.
The only parts of my first post that I left out were "Yes, FFS" and a snippet of a quote of somebody else's analogy that that was in response to. How misleading of me!
I didn't say anything about children in Africa. I pointed out that they weren't just in Africa, actually, and that the problem of hunger exists in the very same first-world nations where popular media spends more time on bullying. There was no invocation of "they have it worse over yonder!", except in the quote which I actually specifically disagreed with.
Go into the "SpaceBook" thing. It'd be interesting to see you dissect corny wordplay with the same vigor and dedication that you apply to views that differ from your own.
That's not a strawman. You pointed out suicide as being the ethical flaw of ignoring bullying. I pointed out that bullying is its own ethical flaw, and suicide can be caused by any number of things. If your defense of CB's invocation of suicide was that it was pointing out an ethical flaw, but you believe that bullying is already an "ethical flaw," and you acknowledge that suicide can be caused by any number of things and has no inherent non-circumstantial relation to bullying, then your defense of CB's invocation as pointing out the "ethical flaw" of ignoring bullying was nonsense.
As for cyberbullying, you may be right. I think it's a buzzword created to get people to watch more TV. That doesn't mean I don't think it can be serious. It means that I think adding "cyber" onto "bullying" on the basis that they're using the internet to do it is threat-of-the-month spin in league with stories on "hackers on steroids" and the dangers of planking. I don't think my general distrust of this is the result of being out of touch, but the opposite. So, yes. Perhaps there was a hint of disregard, there, as well.
Those italicized parts weren't irrelevant. Perhaps this is our problem... you seem very ready to pick and choose what I'm saying. And I have my doubts that unless someone was in a near-total vacuum their entire life with nothing but school bullies keeping them company that any significant amount of people have committed suicide without other circumstantial factors. The simple reality of human experience makes that incredibly unlikely, and I doubt that if you take a bullying that leads to a suicide from one person's life and you put an (otherwise) identical bullying experience into a completely different person's life that it would even necessarily end the same way. Unfortunately, that's not something you can very well test, is it?
And to clarify, I wasn't just saying that it was "just another factor," by bringing up other examples. In most cases I suspect it would be, but I want to make very clear that I believe that those other things can also be sole, primary causes for an individual's suicide. I was saying that they, too, drive people to kill themselves.
You know a lot, don't you?
It's been fun, then.