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Elden Ring

24 February 2022
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The Golden Order is broken...

The Elden Ring has been shattered in the Lands Between. The absence of its Golden Grace will be felt throughout the land far and wide.

Queen Marika's six divine offspring each claimed a shard of the Ring which imbued them with a maddening power. But this foul taint brought the Demigods only their ruin, sparking a bloody war between the royal siblings - The Shattering which laid waste to this land plunging it into chaos.

But now the Golden Grace of the Ring shines anew, guiding the once exiled Tarnished back to the Lands Between to restore what have been broken for so long, mend the Golden Order and claim the Elden Lordship promised to them by legend.
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Tarnished Is All Too Fitting
youve seen all of the video essays and youve seen all of the speedruns and youve seen all of the optimal builds and youve seen all of the strats and secrets and lore
i guess the real question is what did you ever like about this series to begin with?
somehow making it an open adventure ends up being a detriment to the overall appeal of the original formula. mindlessly riding around on horseback creates some lulling feeling. it's like you are simply staring into a void of content. i've had more clarity on xanax. this game is an impressive mess. it's an awful conclusion to something. a flex that forgot the mastery beforehand. it makes me interested as much as it makes me tired. the experience is too big and the content is too small. i can't put my finger on it, but if this is the fromsoft game that is truly the one then i guess i never liked them at all. im waiting on yui tanimura to give us a new game becaue miyazaki is simply a hollow name at this point. so many good ideas and in such a bloated mess. https://www.youtube.com/wa...channel=BlowFan
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nu_gyr0 2022-06-01T09:06:13Z
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there are hugs in this one :D

edit: comes with a debuff :'(
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IanCandido 2022-03-03T18:25:17Z
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This game's open world is bland, boring and formulaic. it doesn't try anything new, most of the traversal is speeding past the saturated enviroment on open plains and mabye fighting some enemies on the way. okay it doesnt have quest markers or map indications like some other open world videogames but the mystery is taken away by how friendly and accessible the open world is. instead of creating a souls open world to go with the souls gameplay they created a breath of the wild open world to go with the souls gameplay. the result is really just a mess of copy and pasted areas, mind draining gameplay, decoration without substance and a story which doesn't change anything and definetely doesn't redeem the rest of the game's problems.

bloodborne had unique gameplay, sekiro had unique gameplay, elden ring does not. The ashes and combat arts do little to remedy the lack of substance found in the open world gameplay. while i did enjoy the boss fights and the designs it has nothing to support it, i think it's just too spread out. ideally i wish it had more depth and a lot more originality in the locations, combat mechanics and enemies. I had hoped that fromsoft would bring something new and original to the open world genre but they didnt. Probably one of the worst soul games and overrall just a drag to play through.
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calt 2022-03-18T22:29:57Z
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Dark Souls. It's where this whole phenomena began, and as boring as it is to talk about it, it needs to be talked about with regards to Elden Ring. See, Dark Souls is an incredibly focused and tight experience... well, for the first half of the game. The closest point of comparison I can make is that traversing through the Undead Burg through the Depths and into Blighttown, etc etc, feels very much like Final Fantasy I. Dark Souls is a game that feels bigger than it is. Each location, much like Final Fantasy I, is a stepping stone on a greater path, taking you somewhere new in a place that feels massive but is really just a structured corridor. This isn't a negative criticism, although i'm aware it reads like that. Dark Souls benefits from this focus, and it's a focus that its two sequels lack, as much as I enjoy them.

Dark Souls II acts as a prototype for the kind of maximalism we see in Elden Ring. It's a good game, but a flawed one. This experiment with scale, combined with a slower combat system, leads to a clunky, albeit ambitious, experience. Dark Souls III returned to the corridorlike game design of the first, however it's caged in a Demon's Souls-style hub world, thus lacking the fluidity that made the first feel so natural. I will not comment of BloodBorne as i've (STILL) not managed to play it, however I can talk about the game preceding Elden RIng, Sekiro. With this game, FromSoft pared down the combat mechanics, and sharpened the world design, making for an almost wholly linear experience unless you deliberately backtrack. Out of these titles it feels the most like the first Dark Souls, stripped down to it's core essentials. One weapon, bonfires, fast movement, and a massive world over which you have less agency than it appears.

Elden Ring says fuck that. You wanna go anywhere straight away? Fuckin do it kid, take your horse and go to that foggy spot on the map you think looks interesting for some reason. You think that bloke with the horse looks scary? Go around him you fuckin pussy. You wanna play with swords? FromSoft's got you. You wanna play with two swords. Miyazaki's sharpening them for you right now. You want to use a magic system that is well designed and not a chore to use? Fantastic, use that giant laser beam on anyone, including the peaceful jarpeople town, we don't fucking care, we're FromSoft and we got you. Do anything and everything you desire because Elden Ring is a sandbox game at its core.

It is is the Souls formula writ large, with the classic tropes of a well-made but obscurely delivered story in a dystopian world which only you can save/destroy/some other options. There's just so much, and i'm not sure I can say the formula is better for it but fucking hell is it entertaining. I'm really not sure where the genre can go from here, and I hope FromSoft can prove me wrong and continue their decade long streak of excellence with their next title. The worst thing that can happen after this raging success is that they become complacent. The reason each of these games made any kind of a splash since Demon's souls was an earnest attempt to iterate and improve on the past, not simply allow it to stagnate. The fact that all signs point to an Armoured Core title next is a postive, implying they understand that Elden Ring is a summit for the genre thus far, and time will be needed before they return to the Souls-style well. Hopefully when they do, FromSoft find a way to blow our minds and burrow into our hearts yet again.
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dedem1315 2022-10-07T17:46:44Z
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Elden Ring is staggering in breadth and detail, and like anything so big, gradually numbing. You want to slow it down, to see these new areas with the same sense of awe that accompanied every turn at the beginning, to press forward in fear of what may lie ahead. But a sense of forward momentum overtakes until it's irrepressible, and then the game is over. Increasingly difficult demigods appear in sequence to halt the flow, as a substitute for the rich environmental mysteries that had us forgetting there was an overall story in the first place. I'm thinking of how I never wanted to get through Stormveil, because that would mean I was done with Limgrave, and there was still so much to be learned in its fields and ravines and dead beaches. And then it was the same with Liurna. Altus Plateau was the last place I couldn't bear to leave, but even then Leyndell sits on the perimeter as a nagging reminder that things must end, and others must keep moving.

There are internal and external contributors to the persistent lapping of the call of progress here. As the player becomes more familiar with the game, they move more quickly through conflicts, and with the greater investment of player time comes the expectation of proportional narrative payoff. The detail of the here and now becomes a blur on the way to motivators on the horizon, and so Elden Ring like other games of its scale eventually becomes a virtual checklist. These factors are reflected internally, in the production of architecturally streamlined and graphically featureless maps that encourage forward momentum rather than the opportunity for getting lost. The player at a certain point either submits to the flow of the game and finishes it, or turns back and looks to rekindle their sense of wonder in the world behind them. The former is rewarded with quick and empty victory. The latter is also doomed, because by this point everything and everyone you ever cared about is devastated in progress’ wake. If the player follows this path they turn to complete the game with a heavy heart, having found the world robbed of meaning before it even closes.

Elden Ring knows that it is doing this, because the interplay of internal (terrestrial, world) and external (noumenal, Outer Gods) forces is the defining fixation of FromSoftware titles. Here it gives the progress narrative the form of the ‘Greater Will’, and stages a conflict between its adherents, and factions that wish to end the world as we know it. The Greater Will is that the player finishes Elden Ring, their character ascending to the Elden Throne, so that Elden Ring can begin again, forever. New Forsaken will continue to be summoned to the Lands Between to keep the cycle turning. That is why the delivery of the Greater Will is so empty. The paradox of narrative progress for the ending-oriented player is that any ending involving a throne is not an ending but a moment lost to the vastness of procedural eternal recurrence. Encountering the devoted Brother Corhyn and Goldmask across the Lands Between transforms the two into a chorus, commenting on the progression of the Greater Will. Corhyn initially holds Goldmask to be a prophet, but soon thinks him mad, complaining that his rituals “betray a suspicion of the holism of the Golden Order.” In truth, Goldmask realises the way of the Greater Will is to mend the ring and initiate its eternal cycle. This suspicion of Order is baked into its very belief system, leading adherents to hope the next cycle is exactly the same as this one.

Goldmask’s order is bound to the notion of apocalypse as revelation. (Apokalypsis means ‘unveiling’ or ‘revelation’, hence the Book of Revelation is the book of apocalypse). For the apocalypse to operate as revelation, it is not to arrive from forces elsewhere, but to have been set in place by entities that are already here. The revelation is both future-oriented and ancestral, and its event means the elimination of future and ancestry alike. There is perhaps no system more apocalyptic than the game system — every ending is already present in the game text but hidden within the code, and all that needs to happen is for the apocalyptic event to be revealed in play. In Elden Ring’s late-game revelation, Goldmask discovers what was already there, Goldmask recognises the corruption of the Order, Goldmask waits for the flames, Goldmask mends the ring so it can happen all over again. The apocalypticism of the Golden Order is, paradoxically, eternal stasis. Everything returns to the beginning so that the Forsaken can arise once more and fulfil the Greater Will. For all the flames and tears and wreckage it is an Order without change or difference.

On the other hand, many in the Lands Between hold a contempt for predestination and dedicate their lives to overthrowing the eternal recurrence of dysfunctional Order. There is a lateral (rather than linear) progression to many of the minor quests, in particular those given by Ranni. The theme and shape of these quests is the fate of stars and gravity, as opposed to the main narrative’s rigid iconography of thrones, crowns, and bloodlines. Ranni actively sends you against the current, mapping out a constellation atop familiar places that now appear strange, and exposing undead cities beneath your feet. This is not done in the service of ‘uncovering’ a living, breathing world, but its opposite: the true undeath of the Lands Between. There’s a madness to Ranni’s story, and that’s because it wants to tell you that you have already been here, many times before, under different names and at different times. Everybody has already died and come back. The fates of everyone you care about have accompanied and in fact defined them since before you even knew them, and so all of your action in the Lands Between has been for the deliverance of their microscopic tragedy. Thops will always arrive too late, Irina will always have to wait too long, Millicent will always live diseased, Latenna will always curl up beside her sister in the snow.

The revelation of Ranni’s story is not the arrival of all of the pieces that were already there from the last reset, but that the world was already lost and empty. Travelling across the Lands Between on her apocalyptic mission severs rather than traces the golden contours of the world shaped like a furled finger. She wants to find the man who stole the stars so the moon comes back and the tides with it. Rejecting the dysfunctional order of the past, we now seek things born of nothingness, to realise the possibility of eliminating the eternal ‘now’ that was never present any way. And so we turn our backs to the stars and march ahead, to end things once again. There is an ending with believing in, and it’s the one that never eventuates. It’s the one born in the coldest night imaginable. Are you ready to commit a cardinal sin?
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Elden Ring is the newest entry in the genre of modern AAA open world games that immediately upon release received the highest critical praise imaginable. Many claim this game to be a pure manifestation of adventure, a crowning achievement in modern open world games. I don’t count myself among those people, but I am also not particularly interested in only stating that I disagree with that sentiment. What I find much more fascinating is questioning why open world games, or more specifically in this case, Elden Ring manages to be an incredibly immersive experience to some, yet for a small minority seems to unfortunately fall flat on its face.
So, let me first try to define what I see as the modern open world problem by going on a probably unnecessarily long excursion and go from there.

To me, the modern expectations for open worlds seem still too far ahead of their time. With teams regularly having to crunch intensively to meet unrealistic goals, it is unreasonable to believe that current day developers have the resources and tools to present quality content consistently across a massive playground. If you tell a team to create vast amounts of content while simultaneously having to connect all that content coherently within the same world, all the while gaining maybe just a couple of years of additional time for development compared to non-open-world releases, you simply have to accept that compromises will probably have to be made.
As a fitting example, Dark souls III was allocated roughly three years of development time. Elden Ring only received two additional years on top of those three years. Hell, Sekiro was even developed during the creation of Elden Ring. But somehow there’s now roughly three times the amount of content than in Dark Souls III? This discrepancy in the amount of content versus the time spent making said content should already be enough to make a case for compromises arising from being this ambitious.

The most common compromise found in open world games is that the organic creation of the world is left in favor of following a theme-park-like pattern to meet the scope of the massive world.
Commonly, developers create blocks of content, space them out among a level plane, then fill the empty spaces between these blocks and add in verticality in order to create the feeling that you are indeed in an open, living world. The bigger the desired world, the less time can be spent individually on each content block, encouraging content blocks to follow similar, repetitive designs that can be mass pasted onto the world in order to fit the desired size of the world.
Furthermore, spending time on elevating the quality of the environments between the blocks of content also in turn leaves the developer with even less time to improve the content blocks themselves. Of course the exact methodology will vary based on the developer, some choosing to focus on creating the environment first and then adding in the blocks of contents and so on, but the general approach seems to be reducible to a very formulaic, instantly recognizable pattern.
Since open worlds are expected to be absolutely massive, developers are left with an unbearable balancing act where there’s never truly enough time to make each aspect of the open world shine without lowering something else in quality in the process.
The desired modern open world simply can't offer high quality all across the board given the expectations, while a realistic high quality open world would not have the desired size that is expected of a modern open world.

This predicament seems to leave all modern open world games with a simple goal: to create the illusion of an immersive world. It doesn’t really matter whether content is mass produced or placed in inorganic ways in the world when the player might not even notice those patterns in the first place, right? If you feel immersed in a world, despite it technically being quite formulaic if you were to look at the world from a clinical perspective, then it seems like that’s all that matters.

I’m not really sure if illusions are a good or bad thing. They seem to provide incredibly powerful experiences if you are successfully ensnared by the illusion, but if you notice the deception happening, then the whole game could possibly be ruined for you. This is where the discussion has to be linked back to Elden Ring, since this seems to be the crux of the matter as to why Elden Ring’s open world failed for me, yet worked for most.
The game does its absolute best at trying to make you feel like you’re walking around in the best open world created so far. There are completely breathtaking vistas of locations found positively everywhere. Practically every location that each vista invites you to explore does in fact become explorable at some point in the game. You have certain locations (called legacy dungeons) that rival the best From Software locations in sheer quality. Areas such as Stormveil Castle, Leyndell and Crumbling Farum Azula are without a doubt peerless in scope and beauty. And yet, the rest of the game falls down the same rabbit hole as every other modern open world. There is a huge amount of reused content, used sometimes so shamelessly that many prior powerful moments become retroactively ruined. When you’re not exploring a block of content you’ll be riding with your horse through vastly empty areas until you find the next thing to do. Almost every single optional block of content that isn’t a legacy dungeon follows a set, highly repetitive pattern.

Since so far I’ve written in relatively broad terms I’ll finally become specific. Apart from the legacy dungeons, Elden Ring offers only a handful of different types of blocks of content that are generously repeated throughout the lands, those being:
A) secluded areas that are of high enough quality to be similar to legacy dungeons, but are of much smaller size comparatively, like Castle Morne or The Shaded Castle.
B) side dungeons that are non-randomized versions of the chalice dungeons in Bloodborne, usually offering menial adventuring with highly repeated enemies, bosses and sections.
C) ruins with nothing more than a treasure chest room that sometimes has a reused boss preceding it.
D) sorcerer towers that contain a reward locked behind insultingly low effort puzzles.
E) minor erdtrees with a single residing boss that you will see roughly a dozen times.
F) enemy camps that contain, well enemies. And, with luck, an item.
G) “roaming” bosses such as dragons that are repeated to an absurd degree.
H) walking mausoleums that really aren’t even worth mentioning.

Out of all of those, only A) seems like adequate filler for the rest of the world. But no, it has to share its space with its seven other types of neglected siblings, desperately clinging for your attention.
It seems impossible to me to be truly immersed in a world in which every optional block of content sticks out so painfully obvious in its repetition and crude implementation. Realizing that every side dungeon is placed seemingly randomly into meaningless cliffs, that every ruin is a shuffle of the exact same assets, that the dragon bosses were so poorly implemented into their respective areas that they will de- and respawn multiple times throughout a fight, that the density of content of each major area drops further the more you progress in the game, that there’s simply so much empty dead space between content blocks just feels to me like slipping and falling on your face every time you are trying to immerse yourself in this open world.

And yet, for most this doesn’t matter in the slightest. Many would probably even agree that there’s a lot of stuff in the open world of Elden Ring that simply isn’t that great, and still it does not matter. The open world illusion seems to get upheld by some immensely powerful individual moments that you find while playing the game. Like the sheer wonder felt when you explore the completely optional area called Nokron, only to then find the second Hallowhorn Grounds, ending into Siofra Aqueduct and thinking it's over but no, it continues to the Deeproot Depths and then after that you somehow still find a new area called Nokstella, that then leads into a new area called the Lake Of Rot, that then finally culminates in a secret boss fight making you think this side journey's over but no, if you continue the side quest that lead you to these areas to begin with you will then unbelievably unlock another final new hidden area.
I get the feeling. Even with all the low quality padding mixed into the world there are a couple of magical moments to be found. But even with that incredible experience I just described I had to leave out the fact that at least four of these areas are in fact incredibly similar to each other, while not even coming close to reaching the quality of the legacy dungeons (and that secret boss gets reused later on for some reason) – once again potentially ruining this whole side journey if you dare stare past the illusion.

For me, these moments just weren’t enough to carry the open world experience on their back, but I can understand if for some they were. It’s just that when the veil of the illusion gets dropped there are objectives that every open world has to achieve for me. That I am truly exploring a world that exists the way that it does organically and not because this was simply the most comfortable way for the developers to make this world in a tight time window. That every area receives the same attention to detail instead of continuously dropping more and more in content and quality as the game approaches its end.
Maybe I have unrealistic expectations for open world games, but it seems to me like any open world game that isn't immediately comparable to the obviously awful Ubisoft-style open world games is already instantaneously considered an open world masterpiece, when in reality, these games are still far from achieving what they set out do, even if they admittedly do it a bit better than the current competition.
I can acknowledge the occasionally great thing that Elden Ring’s world achieves, but immersion just seems like a very fleeting thing to me. Let the game slip up one too many times and it becomes exceedingly hard to return to it.

To pile on top of all this, the combination of open world design with souls-like gameplay devalues a lot of what the open world is trying to achieve in the first place, especially given how little From Software cared to adjust their gameplay systems established in previous games. Specifically, there are three core problems that I have been able to recognize so far.
1. The god damn horse
Adding a horse in a game series that has always struggled with incentivizing players to engage with enemies means you can now effectively skip all content found in the open world where the horse is allowed to be used. This means that the majority of your time in the open world is spent frantically riding around every corner looking for an item to quickly pick up before any enemy can react, then casually moving on. The meager rune rewards wouldn’t make the enemies worth engaging with to begin with though.
2.Overleveling
Leveling and weapon upgrades have always been the most impactful changes you could make to your character in Souls games. It is also now one of the best ways (the best one will come up later) to accidentally trivialize the vast majority of the content this time around. Even just by mistake doing one later-game area too early might result in you struggling to find any challenges until the endgame. When most of the enjoyment from the more low quality side content results from you overcoming challenges with your designated build, then having fixed levels for enemies is probably not a good idea.
3. Meaningless rewards for exploration
Almost all of the impactful items you can find through exploration are weapons and ashes of war (weapon skills that can be freely attached to weapons). You can theoretically upgrade 21 weapons to their maximum. In practice however, this is way too tedious to be something that most people will reasonably do, especially because you’ll have to respec your character every time you make more drastic changes to your build. Therefore, a typical playthrough will have you probably committing to only a couple weapons/spells, rendering all of the optional areas that don’t require items for your build somewhat useless. Perhaps removing leveling and upgrading like Sekiro did would’ve been a great way to incentivize you to use everything that you find (similar to what the ashes of war are already kind of doing), but I realize that that kind of goes against the whole RPG thing.

As a final point, it seems to me that the decision to go open world has also made From Software not able to put in enough effort into its combat this time around, showcasing probably some of the most obviously flawed game design I’ve seen from such a talented company. While the combat is effectively the same as in the other Souls games, there is something that seems completely off about it.
It looks and sounds great, feels relatively smooth and has an acceptable amount of options for endgame builds. The invisible posture meter for enemies, jumps/jumping attacks and guard counters aren’t particularly impactful but somewhat welcome additions nonetheless.
Once again gaining access to weapon skills that can be freely switched between your non-legendary weapons seems to further promote build variety, although most skills seem to only be glorified flashy looking R2 strong attacks with varying degrees of posture damage and status buildups. This, however, remains to be something to be tested over many playthroughs.
I suppose there’s also horse combat, but it is so severely undercooked and underutilized within most encounters that it doesn’t end up making any real impact on the combat as a whole. There are many encounters that seem like they were designed around the horse, but were then apparently decided not to have it included after all, possibly because the horse lacks any mechanical depth and was deemed too unfinished to use before the release of the game. The boss fights that do include the horse usually end up with you making circles around the toes of the boss, continuously forcing them to do easily avoidable stomp attacks until they die.
All in all, the good old press-the-invincibility-button-in-rhythm-with-visual-and-auditory-ques-and-then-sometimes-punish-principle is still in place with no real variation whatsoever, leaving a solid, albeit unimaginative feeling combat system extremely reminiscent of what you’d find in every other Souls game.

Yet, the enemy design seems to be a baffling parody of previous Souls games. Almost every enemy and boss has very long combos, minimal or nonexistent recovery times and high damage. Many animations are comically artificially drawn out to bait out early inputs. Most attacks are unreasonably hard or outright impossible to react to. Input reading is in its most blatant state yet, causing bosses to finish combos, only to then input read your punish and inexplicably punish you instead for whatever reason. All these design decisions synergize in such a way where memorization and passivity are immensely promoted – or at the very least if you intend to actually engage with the core combat mechanics.

This gets worse and worse the further you progress in the game, although you can see the same glimpses in even early game bosses such as Margit. While I wouldn’t say that exploring endgame areas is as infuriating as it’s often made out to be, since by then you’ll probably be immensely powerful and most normal enemies retain relatively low health, the later-game bosses certainly feel irredeemable in their mechanical design.
I simply do not understand why every boss has to be designed in such a way where your time gets maximally wasted. Every previous Souls game understood that while the boss fights are certainly one of the main draws of the overall experience, they have to be carefully balanced in such a way where they don’t feel like pushovers, while at the same also not overstaying their welcome by forcing you to over-memorize every single animation that the bosses can do.
Since these games have also never been particularly mechanically deep in the first place, the best case scenario is creating boss fights that feel, sound and look engaging and challenging( even if mechanically they really aren’t) so that you forget that really all you’re doing is pressing an invincibility button at certain memorized times.
However, when the balance gets skewed in favor of tedious memorization, the whole combat system of these games just kind of falls apart. You are never allowed to get in that vigorous flow state where you are relying on your instincts, avoiding certain attacks correctly on the fly since they give you enough visual information to react the way it was intended, punishing when it simply feels right to do, and of course also occasionally hiccuping when the boss presents you with interesting tricks up their sleeve. Instead, like in Elden Ring, you are made painfully aware that you are offered nothing more interesting to do than guessing and memorizing roll and punish timings for obscure animations until you finally get them right and get to move on to the next area. Even the across the board once again fantastic aesthetic designs of the bosses weren’t enough to distract me from these issues.
I want to make it clear that I am not complaining about the game being too difficult, in fact every boss is certainly doable even with severe player-imposed challenges. The issue is rather that the process of learning and then beating many bosses is just not very fun this time around.
There’s just so much guessing going on every fight – how long will an attack be artificially delayed? Will that combo consist of three or rather thirty attacks? Is that multi-hit attack even dodgeable? When am I allowed to press the heal button without getting immediately sniped by an attack? When can I finally safely punish something?
You’ll get the answers to your questions eventually, but not without getting severely punished for every time you ask. Why wouldn’t you then just stay back to keep out of range of those ridiculous combos? Why try punishing anything but the slowest attacks that take longest to recover? Why not just use ranged attacks to never be put into the insane blender that almost every major boss is? There’s just no reason not to play very passive and barely engage with the bosses if you don’t fancy being overwhelmed by tedious memorization.
The balance is just totally off here for me – instead of having a healthy mix of some memorization but also the utilization of your reaction time and intuition to create the illusion of exhilarating, close call encounters, you get the awfully bloated mess that the boss fights in Elden Ring often are. Memorization should only serve as a sort of countdown that ensures you will beat a boss over time if you simply keep at it – it instead being so far at the forefront of the boss design just shows a total lack of understanding as to why the boss fights in the previous games managed to feel engaging in the first place.
Maybe I’m in the minority here though; I can definitely imagine people preferring this new way of designing bosses, since for some the memorization of complete movesets and then finally almost perfectly overcoming bosses is the most satisfying aspect of Souls combat. Making them memorize even more and for much longer should in theory just make this satisfaction even stronger when they finally beat a boss.
However, my preference for boss fights that are fast paced, close call tumbles in which I have to rely on my instincts, as well as my love for mastering a combat system and then being massively rewarded for it (like in Sekiro) just aren’t things that Elden Ring provides at all, which makes the combat feel truly awful for me.

I also realize that it might’ve proven a real challenge for From Software to balance all these encounters while knowing that the player can become immensely strong from exploring the open world and overleveling, but then this just seems like another argument against using the modern open world design philosophy in a Souls game. You could surely say that the overleveling helps in counteracting the problematic aspects of most bosses, but then, as previously mentioned, the fights usually just become so easy that they feel completely impactless anyways (apart from maybe two or three boss fights in the endgame, where overleveling seems to have little to no impact).

Of course, I haven’t mentioned spirit ash summons yet, which are very similar to the NPC summons found in the previous games. If you are inclined to use them, all of these problems are simply washed away, since you are no longer required to engage with the gameplay mechanics to begin with. Pair that with all the insanely powerful ashes of wars and spells and you are effectively able to steamroll everything. As a power fantasy this kind of works, but even if now all of the mechanical issues are technically somewhat solved, what is really even left of the combat in the first place? I’m not exactly against an “easy mode”, but if it is designed in such an unengaging way, then I don’t just understand the appeal.
You could even argue that summons aren’t the easy mode of this game to begin with, but rather an almost mandatory thing you have to engage with, since so many bosses seem to almost be designed around them. Otherwise I could not explain the messy state that most bosses find themselves in, especially Malenia, Godskin Duo (and every multi-bossfight for that matter) and the final boss being prime examples.
Also, considering that one of the most major flaws of the souls combat formula has always been that fights with multiple enemies or allies simply do not function in the first place, the supposed focus on summons becomes even more bizarre.
Some of the only multi boss fights that ever kind of worked, like Ornstein & Smough, only did so because they were specifically designed to be practically 1v1s regardless.
Likewise, using a summoned ally just breaks the aggro priority for every boss, once again only kind of working when you are fighting two bosses to begin with, where your ally can then focus one boss while you fight the other – but this really just creates another practically 1v1 situation.
From Softwares decision to not only add widely available, easily upgradable summons but also seemingly focus the combat encounters on them with zero adjustments to the AI was completely misguided. You’re put in a damned if you, damned if you don’t situation, where not using summons forces you to both engage with the combat but also with the across the board unejoyable bosses, whereas using summons fixes those encounters but then in turn just makes the whole combat experience feel completely hollow.

I am unsure what went wrong here. To make a game like Sekiro that managed to make such a refreshing feeling and criminally enjoyable combat system with minimal, but ingenious changes to the core systems of the Souls combat formula and then somehow arrive next at Elden Ring is just really confusing. My best bet would once again be that this was caused by all the challenges arising from having to create a massive open world and the lack of development time that they likely caused, but who truly knows.
it just feels like there is a distinct lack of intention for all these design decisions, struggling to form a cohesive whole. Add to that the redundancy of once again substituting any meaningful narrative elements with highly familiar feeling lore and mildly charming, but ultimately uneventful and too obscure to follow side quests and you end up with a game that is far too similar to its predecessors, while failing to innovate anything meaningful in the new territories it tries to explore.
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  • YesYes2L 2024-02-26 21:00:10.58371+00
    I used to really love this game and thought it was flawless until I realized that a hypothetical "Dark Souls 4" with all the legacy areas directly tied together, without an open world, would have been more fun. A return to the open level progression in Dark Souls 1 but in the world of Elden Ring would have been really good I think. I predict that this open world model is going to be FromSoft's template for all their soulslike games moving forward, given that it was so successful.
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    • moonisharp 2024-02-27 01:41:47.335762+00
      This. I’m hoping their next game is smaller and more dense.
    • white_calx 2024-02-28 08:33:09.315297+00
      idk i’m holding out hope that they’re going to maintain their artistic license to the extent that they feel free to do whatever they want (including going back to more ‘linear’ level design). if anything elden ring has given from more fans that will try whatever they put out next
      they’ve never really struck me as a games company that just picks the game design that satisfies the majority
    • ThrashingFairy 2024-03-02 12:53:59.685247+00
      A few things from recent interviews: 1. Miyazaki is kinda done with the Souls series after Elden Ring and said any new Souls game is likely going to be directed by somebody else. 2. Whatever Miyazaki works on next is going to be similarly big in scale coz he found working on Elden Ring really fun.
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  • thatpower 2024-03-02 00:40:35.669087+00
    Excited for the brand new "Godefroy the Grafted Duo" fight!
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    • thatpower 2024-03-02 00:45:35.982281+00
      Buffed Elden Beast in a shrine would also be a great addition
    • ThrashingFairy 2024-03-06 05:32:24.896738+00
      "Godefroy" was an incredibly tasteless reuse, I agree lmao
    • NickFerrant 2024-03-06 06:04:46.057335+00
      Can't wait for Godskin Trio 💀. But in all seriousness I think the DLC fights will probably end up being the best ones in the game like it always does in other games as well.
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  • ThrashingFairy 2024-03-03 07:04:50.960766+00
    Lil worried about the "Sekiro-like" damage buffing system they're going to implement in the DLC. I don't even think the intention is that good either coz everyone I ever known always started new characters whenever new DLC came out, and if people rush through with overpowered characters then so what? That's inevitably going to happen.
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  • Omar_Little 2024-03-04 12:19:48.941872+00
    Every space where Elden Ring is discussed becomes inundated with people saying “yeah, but wouldn’t it be cool if this open world game wasn’t an open world game?”
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  • Paracaue 2024-03-05 20:56:32.735382+00
    Dark Souls is one of the only games I like to replay multiple times, but I dont like the replay factor of this one, the DS experience is far too diluted
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  • cassio_ 2024-03-07 10:36:41.747209+00
    I posted a comment a few days ago, and yes, one of my main gripes about this game is the extremely low replay value when comparing to the other games in the series
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    • thm_yrk12 2024-03-07 13:32:23.739056+00
      idk about you guys, but i had the exact opposite experience. this is one of my most replayable games. the amount of content and the variety of different weapons, spells, and items to use allows me to never get bored. i always seem to find something new and interesting with each playthrough.
    • Fowlawneeshafow 2024-03-08 03:35:03.542125+00
      Why do you think it has low replay value? Never heard that about ER before
    • cassio_ 2024-03-08 22:44:34.968662+00
      I just gonna copy and paste what I already said

      I finished elden ring with 100+ hours and the game demands the player to go through the dozens of copy & paste dungeons to get your character strong to beat the main content, when you are playing for the first time is fine, but in a second time feels such a slog

      it's hard to remember one specific dungeon (mines, catacombs and the ones with that chariot) that had an unique boss or some twists, all of their purpose is giving resources to the player, and like I said on my previous comment, this game design choice is fine but replaying this after you beat it it's not that fun
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  • white_calx 2024-03-10 08:32:12.782062+00
    i’m ashamed to admit it took me over 200 hours to truly realise the masterpiece that this is (but don’t get me wrong it does have its flaws).
    this is from’s most well realised world and it’s so easy to get lost in its insanely expansive lore. so much thought has gone into every square inch of this open world
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  • AidanAlva 2024-03-28 16:14:52.16425+00
    As I replay DS3 right now, the thing that really sticks out about ER's quality is the ability to put together a build you want early into the experience. The linear progression of the Souls games makes it so that a lot of builds don't get an opportunity to really even exist until ate NG/NG+.
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    • AidanAlva 2024-03-28 16:25:23.642365+00
      Funny enough though, I'm also still torn on the benefits of the open world design. As a psycho who loves Dark Souls 2, I really enjoy the warmer and more relaxed feeling of the environments and the exploration, and how it feels like you can take the game more at your own pace. The design of it is largely excellent. But as others have said, it does dilute the concentration of quality. It can feel a little weird to take a long path seemingly hidden for good reason, with a group of enemies crowding a body, only for the loot to be like, idk, some random shitty gloves
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